Were You ‘Too Much’ — Or Just Misunderstood? ADHD, Trauma & Finding Your True Self
What if the labels you’ve carried throughout your life didn't have to define your story?
In this week’s episode of the ADHD Women’s Wellbeing Podcast, I’m joined by Miranda Arieh, a multi-award-winning motivational speaker, mental health educator, and transformation coach. Miranda is the founder of the pioneering HEROES Programme and an advocate for changing how we view mental health, neurodiversity and emotional regulation.
Miranda uses her lived experience to fuel her passion for helping others make lasting transformations to their lives by learning how to effectively work with all our human experiences of emotional suffering.
This conversation is an invitation to look back at your past through a lens of neurodivergence—not to find "fault," but to find the compassion and forgiveness needed to move forward.
In this episode, we explore:
- How turning anger into passion can shift the narrative around emotional dysregulation and neurodivergence.
- What "trauma-informed care" actually looks like in practice and why it’s vital for the ND community.
- Miranda’s perspective on how high-masking ADHD and autism intersect with complex childhood trauma.
- Why Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD) feels different in a neurodivergent nervous system and why "not everyone feels it" the same way.
- The cost of masking for safety, the pain of forgetting your true self, and the beauty of rediscovery.
- Learning the importance of coregulating with ourselves to find internal stability.
- How a formal diagnosis can be the "missing piece" that provides clarity and self-acceptance.
- The SAVE Method - a practical strategy for regulating emotions and practising effective self-advocacy.
- How to create healthy boundaries and space for the right people without abandoning yourself in the process.
This episode is a vital reminder that your emotional experiences are valid, and by understanding the "why" behind your brain and your history, lasting transformation becomes possible.
Timestamps
- 02:15 - Exploring Trauma and Neurodivergence
- 15:00 - Understanding Rejection Sensitivity in Neurodivergence
- 33:37 - The Journey to Authenticity
- 40:53 - Navigating Relationships with Others and Self
- 44:36 - Introduction to the SAVE Method
This week’s episode is sponsored by Understood.org, the leading nonprofit dedicated to empowering the millions of people with learning and thinking differences, like ADHD and dyslexia. If you’re parenting a neurodivergent child, I’d recommend listening to their podcast, Everybody Gets a Juicebox, as it’s full of relatable stories and practical tools to help your family thrive while protecting your own wellbeing, too!
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Kate Moryoussef is a women's ADHD lifestyle and wellbeing coach and EFT practitioner who helps overwhelmed and unfulfilled newly diagnosed ADHD women find more calm, balance, hope, health, compassion, creativity and clarity.
Transcript
Welcome to the ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Kate Moore Youssef and I'm a wellbeing and lifestyle coach, EFT practitioner, mum to four kids and passionate about helping more women to understand and accept their amazing ADHD brains.
Speaker A:After speaking to many women just like me and probably you, I know there is a need for more health and lifestyle support for women newly diagnosed with adhd.
Speaker A:In these conversations, you'll learn from insightful guests, hear new findings and discover powerful perspectives and lifestyle tools to enable you to live your most fulfilled, calm and purposeful life wherever you are on your ADHD journey.
Speaker A:Here's today's episode.
Speaker A:Today I am joined by Miranda Arryeh.
Speaker A:Now, Miranda is a model, multi award winning motivational speaker.
Speaker A:She's a mental health educator and a transformation coach.
Speaker A:And she's also the founder of the pioneering Heroes program and its signature save method.
Speaker A:And Miranda's unique and innovative approach to mental health and trauma recovery based on her lived experience is being hailed as life saving as it spreads throughout the uk.
Speaker A:Miranda is a trusted voice in mainstream media, having appeared on national television, radio and global podcasts not only as a guest expert, but also as a presenter for BBC Radio.
Speaker A:And she also shares her message with clarity.
Speaker A:So it's about building that lasting life transformation and understanding, I guess, how to effectively work with all our human experiences of emotional suffering.
Speaker A:Welcome to the podcast, Miranda.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker B:Thanks for having me.
Speaker B:It's so wonderful to be here, Kate.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I'm so interested in your life story because we never come into this work without our own personal life experience and we never sort of follow a niche or a path without us, I think definitely as neurodivergent people without having huge vested personal experience and wanting to help people from the place that we where we've been.
Speaker A:So I was just wondering, where, where did this all begin?
Speaker A:And maybe tell us a little bit about your own diagnosis story.
Speaker A:I'd love to hear a little bit more.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, you're certainly right in what you say, Kate.
Speaker B:You know, so much of the time there's such great value in the lived experience that we have towards what we do offer, you know, in service later on in our lives.
Speaker B:And that's certainly what happened with me.
Speaker B:So, you know, if I start back, I guess, I mean, I'm 42, so I won't go into my full life story.
Speaker B:But, you know, it started, I guess in childhood.
Speaker B:I went for a really, really difficult time at home.
Speaker B:My home was was filled with a lot of prolonged, complex childhood trauma in many different ways, which led to me running away from home repeatedly when I was about 14 years old, I got put in several safe houses in Leeds before being sectioned under the Mental Health act because my suffering had got so bad and my emotional dysregulation had gotten to such a, such a severe level that I was classed as a risk to myself, which I reflect on now.
Speaker B:And no, I certainly was, you know, I was harming myself and repeatedly at that young age and, you know, just emotions spilling out everywhere really.
Speaker B:And I lived in a mental hospital in Leeds called hyroids for about nine months of my life at 14 before being discharged out into foster care and then living on my own from the age of 60.
Speaker B:And so I was, I was an adult, very, very young.
Speaker B:And while I used to be fired up with such an anger about the mental health system and about the things that I encountered while in hospital and the way that my emotions were dealt with or punished, I would say I managed to, throughout the duration of my life, shift that anger to a state of passion where now I live life in, in giving love for the change I want to see in the mental health system and giving love for the change in the way that I want the narrative around mental health and emotional dysregulation and neurodivergence to be viewed.
Speaker B:I guess skip forward to now.
Speaker B:I've created a mental health program which is rolling out through the nhs, all based on my lived experience and you know, regarding adhd, when I was in hospital, the nurses and doctors would, they sort of informally diagnosed me, they would mention it a lot and that was buzzing around.
Speaker B:However, I never got a formal diagnosis to my knowledge back then, but my whole life I knew I had adhd, but I did obviously want to try medication later in life.
Speaker B:So a couple of years ago I did get a formal diagnosis and go on medication, which I'm not actually taking anymore at the moment.
Speaker B:That's another story.
Speaker B:And then I guess my exploration then, aside from mental health exploring and researching neurodivergence and looking at it through my own lens of living with profound adhd, led me to also explore an autism diagnosis, which is something was mentioned to me in my ADHD assessment.
Speaker B:It, it was sort of suggested.
Speaker B:And then my ex partner, who was a consultant psychiatrist himself, sent me a questionnaire around high masking autism in women and I scored really highly and I was like, what this, this doesn't make sense because I don't fit autism like that's not my understanding of autism.
Speaker B:Like, I'd never thought that.
Speaker B:That I did go for an assessment in, well, in October, and I got diagnosed in November.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's been.
Speaker B:I'm still processing it now.
Speaker B:You know, we're a good few months on later, but I'm still processing it now and learning so much more now.
Speaker B:But it's feeling like a beautiful sequence of events to lead me to the work I'm doing now within educating people on the link between mental health, trauma, and the comorbid neurodivergence that can go hand in hand with it.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for sharing that, honestly, because I think your story will probably resonate with so many people.
Speaker A:I think it's very, unfortunately relatable that trauma, especially in childhood, teenage years, mental health.
Speaker A:I mean, what you sound.
Speaker A:You were telling us, that sounds incredibly traumatizing at that age to be institutionalized and sectioned.
Speaker A:I presume no one back then was talking, you know, no one was talking about neurodivergence.
Speaker A:No one was understanding ADHD and autism in boys and girls.
Speaker A:I mean, mostly, you know, girls.
Speaker A:I mean, there's just not an understanding.
Speaker A:And it's only just coming about that we're understanding these links, whether it's to do with addiction, it's to do with disordered eating, it's to do with other mental health complications like ocd, depression, bipolar, anxiety.
Speaker A:And I think about so many girls, you know, lost girls like you must have been, who just weren't getting the appropriate care and support and maybe being on the wrong medication and what that can do to someone.
Speaker A:In itself, it's like a loss of identity.
Speaker A:I mean, do you look back at that version of yourself and just think, oh, like, somebody help her.
Speaker A:Somebody give her what she needs?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Kate.
Speaker B:Like, you know, back then, there's a phrase being banded around the mental health system and the healthcare system at the moment about being trauma informed.
Speaker B:I don't know if you're aware of that.
Speaker B:Everything's.
Speaker B:Everything's moving towards being trauma informed.
Speaker B:That was not in place back then.
Speaker B:And essentially being trauma informed means that we don't mistake someone's behavior for who they are in truth.
Speaker B:And it means that.
Speaker B:That we're aware of the ways in which people may show up in this world as a response to what they've been through in their lives.
Speaker B:That wasn't going on then.
Speaker B:Like, emotions were punished when I was in hospital, very much so.
Speaker B:I won't go too much into the details now, you know, but emotions were vilified.
Speaker B:Almost, you know, at that time.
Speaker B:And, and you know, especially when it comes to women and neurodivergence and the comorbidity with going through childhood trauma alongside that hand in hand, I really am starting to bust entirely in my own mind the idea that that borderline personality disorder exists.
Speaker B:I don't know if you've heard, you know, like, it's one of the most stigmatized mental health conditions in, in, in the history of the world.
Speaker B:And you know, some people call it emotionally unstable personality disorder.
Speaker B:And now I'm looking at the research and I'm looking at my life and I'm looking at those symptoms and I'm looking at high masking autism in women and I'm looking at the way ADHD can manifest when there's been, you know, complex childhood trauma in the mix as well.
Speaker B:And I am just seeing like there is not a disorder to the personality that forms from that place.
Speaker B:There is perfect order to the way that personality has formed.
Speaker B:And that makes complete sense to how that person learns to navigate the world in, in survival responses and with very black and white thinking because there's in childhood, if there's needed to be quick, quick decisions on is it safe, is it unsafe made.
Speaker B:You know, the classic term black and white thinking makes complete sense why the mind would switch between the two and all that.
Speaker B:Every single diagnostic criteria for BPD would fit for me in women who have autism, ADHD and childhood trauma.
Speaker A:I've heard this before, and unfortunately we see this crossover of trauma with neurodivergent women because I don't like this school of thought that, you know, Gabor Mate talks about where he thinks that trauma causes adhd.
Speaker A:I don't believe that.
Speaker A:But what I do believe is that there is a significant correlation between trauma and adhd because girls, women have lived in a world or in a identity that no one's understood, and they have had these misdiagnoses, lack of care, support, mis dismissals, gaslighting, all of that which can only contribute to trauma.
Speaker A:And then if we think about, I say this all the time in the podcast, if we've experienced this, what do you think our parents, who will 100% have not had any form of diagnosis and will be navigating all of this with the many challenges that we see with dysfunction and chaos and addiction.
Speaker A:And we are this first generation of women and girls who are getting the language now that we can we understand what's going on far, far, far too late.
Speaker A:I don't want to delve too much in your Family.
Speaker A:Into your family history.
Speaker A:But would you say that you now have a new lens to reflect on now that you understand your own neurodivergent profile?
Speaker B:Oh, gosh, yeah.
Speaker B:Massively.
Speaker B:And, yeah, reflecting has really helped me have compassion, because the understanding that I now have that awareness, I now have that depth of knowledge that I now have has again shifted me out of the place of holding a grievance towards my past.
Speaker B:And I do believe that understanding breeds compassion and compassion breeds forgiveness.
Speaker B:And, you know, forgiveness is a word that is very misunderstood because I think a lot of people think that the word forgiveness means to condone or justify or excuse someone for the horrific things that they've been through.
Speaker B:For me, that word forgiveness means something very different.
Speaker B:For me, it's an energy of self, compassion.
Speaker B:It's me recognizing that the grievance energy causes me suffering.
Speaker B:So to delve into that understanding by reflecting on my family upbringing, by reflecting on that family life that I had through the lens of what I know now about neurodivergence and mental health and trauma and how it plays out, it's really led me to a place where I'm able to.
Speaker B:Able to forgive, not forget.
Speaker B:The wounds are lasting.
Speaker B:I'm in EMDR therapy at the moment, which has been pretty phenomenal.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I don't know if you know much about EMDR therapy.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's really good to hear.
Speaker B:It's been pretty incredible.
Speaker B:You know, really delving into my childhood more than ever before.
Speaker B:I feel we are in a lucky generation.
Speaker B:You know, really, it's a good time for us to be alive.
Speaker B:Where there is so much more education now around neurodivergence.
Speaker B:But we've got a long way to go regarding, you know, the world, understanding what it's actually like living with the.
Speaker B:It's the emotional impact of the adhd for me, the audience, you know, it's the emotional impact that disrupts my life more than most of what I see, particularly online about.
Speaker B:You know, there's a lot of, like, jokes made in that, oh, I left my keys and, you know, oh, I forgot this again, or, oh, my calendar, whatever.
Speaker B:All this executive functioning stuff, which of course is.
Speaker B:It's massively disrupting for the life.
Speaker B:It messes up many of my days in my life.
Speaker B:But for me, the biggest profound difficulty that I have with my neurodivergence is the emotional aspect.
Speaker B:And I think we've got a long way to go before the world is educated on how we suffer and how we have capacity to hold emotions or not.
Speaker B:Because it's very different in neurodivergent people.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, that's so beautifully articulated.
Speaker A:And just to go back to what you were saying about forgiveness so resonates, you know?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So resonates because again, all my community are women and all my community are late diagnosed women.
Speaker A:And this emotional part that you're talking about, I 100% agree.
Speaker A:We're trying to heal.
Speaker A:The wounds are still pretty open and painful.
Speaker A:And the women I speak to, there seems to be a common feeling of they're holding on to resentment, anger.
Speaker A:They're going through grief, sadness.
Speaker A:They are trying to make sense of their past, understand themselves.
Speaker A:Like you say, try and try and forgive.
Speaker A:Show compassion to the generation before them where they didn't know what was going on.
Speaker A:And then we are kind of told, right, we have to move on.
Speaker A:And it's really hard.
Speaker A:And then when we understand about rsd, I think RSD is glossed over a little bit because it's kind of like in the moment, rejection, sensitivity.
Speaker A:But I actually think that RSD comes about in a past way.
Speaker A:Like, it is very hard for us to move past grievances and move past ways that we've been treated and haven't been looked after or loved or supported and all those things.
Speaker A:And I hear a lot from women who say, I just can't get past it.
Speaker A:I can't move forwards.
Speaker A:I can't move on from it.
Speaker A:Like, I'm still stuck in that thought loops of emotions.
Speaker A:And I do believe that is an RSD thing because it's.
Speaker A:It's so hard.
Speaker A:And I'd be interested to know what you think about that, because that kind of almost exacerbates and perpetuates the trauma cycle a bit for us.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, RSD is very misunderstood as well.
Speaker B:And I guess that when it comes to rejection sensitivity, some people, they love to go.
Speaker B:Well, nobody likes rejection, though.
Speaker B:No, it's not nice for anyone.
Speaker B:RSD is different.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So, like, the reason RSD is different for me is that the rejection that is felt and the way it is processed by the neurodivergent brain is all around a sense of fundamental unsafety.
Speaker B:And this is why it lasts longer as well for me, anyway.
Speaker B:So the nervous system is programmed with kind of, I'd say, two drives.
Speaker B:All our needs for under kind of two drives in our developmental years as children.
Speaker B:And I'd say that those drives all around survival and connection, we are hardwired for a sense of safety and survival and a sense of belonging, connection with Others and achieve attunement.
Speaker B:And that's having our emotional world attuned to, validated, respected, honored, and for that to be space for our emotions to be held.
Speaker B:When those needs haven't been met, which I would say a lot of the time with adhd, they might not be met because we can feel so different and the world is not set up for the neurodivergent mind.
Speaker B:The nervous system is then programmed with this fundamental sense of absolute unsafety, survival type unsafety around the idea of being disconnected with or rejected.
Speaker B:So this is the reason it lasts for longer because the nervous system struggles to let it go.
Speaker B:So it doesn't matter how much cognitive processing we do.
Speaker B:Like oh, you know, it doesn't matter, don't care what other people think, you're lovable the way you are.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter how much of the mental cognitive work we do.
Speaker B:The nervous system is embedded with a direct thought threat response that's going to keep like an alarm.
Speaker B:It's almost like an alarm that's been programmed to go off that there's a sense of threat to safety and it will keep flashing up and flashing up and flashing up until we type in the code to turn off the alarm.
Speaker B:And that's why it lasts so long with, with rejection sensitivity.
Speaker B:It's a new level.
Speaker B:And the pain experienced from a sense of rejection or abandonment is, I mean it's, it's agonizing, isn't it, when, when you've, when you've got neurodivergence and, and the code I would say to type in for when it comes to rejection sensitivity, it can help to be co regulated with others.
Speaker B:But actually what I've had to learn the hard way again and again and again, and I know the listener might not even like to hear this as well, although it's a really beautiful thing is that it has to come from co regulating with ourselves.
Speaker B:Ourselves.
Speaker B:We can get as much validation as we want from others.
Speaker B:We can be accepted by thousands of others in this world until we're able to co regulate with ourselves, which is something really hard to learn with neurodivergence and when trauma's in the mix.
Speaker B:Until we're able to do that, we don't have the code to type into that alarm to say that actually you're safe.
Speaker B:It's all about safety.
Speaker A:I just want to interrupt today's episode because I actually want to share something a little bit more personal for the moment because I know so many of you will relate.
Speaker A:There have definitely been times in My own parenting where I felt completely overwhelmed trying to support my own children, manage my own adhd, regulate my emotions, work and still feel like I wasn't quite getting it right.
Speaker A:And those moments can feel really lonely.
Speaker A:And that's why I've been really enjoying a podcast that I've been listening to recently called Everyone Gets a Juice Box for Parents of Neurodivergent Kids.
Speaker A:And it's from Understood.org I've been listening to Everyone Gets a Juice Box.
Speaker A:And what I love about it is how real it is.
Speaker A:It talks about things we often say out loud.
Speaker A:Whether it's about burnout, emotional overwhelm, navigating different diagnoses, but in such a compassionate, real and grounded way.
Speaker A:It's not about perfect parenting.
Speaker A:It's about understanding your own child, but also understanding yourself more deeply along the way.
Speaker A:And I think that's what so many of us are looking for.
Speaker A:Not more pressure, not more guilt, just more understanding.
Speaker A:So if you are raising a neurodivergent child and navigating a late in life diagnosis yourself and want to feel a little bit more supported and less alone in it all, I really recommending giving it a listen.
Speaker A:Just search for Everyone Gets a Juice Box in your podcast app or go on Understood.org and you'll find it there.
Speaker A:That's Everyone Gets a Juice Box.
Speaker A:Now back to today's episode that was so validating and I'm just wondering, I can hear sort of like polyvagal theory type work there which I've done training in and found it very compatible with the neurodivergent nervous system.
Speaker A:And I was, I did the training with Deb Danner who sort of been part of the polyvagal movement and she never once in the training that I did because it wasn't really for neurodivergence at the time.
Speaker A:But I just kept thinking, oh my God, this is made for neurodivergent people.
Speaker A:Like this is like everything.
Speaker A:It's like tick, tick, tick.
Speaker A:It's just everything.
Speaker A:And what you were saying then is like we've had to learn the hard way.
Speaker A:That really like landed for me because we may have gone to cbt, we may have gone to like decades long of therapy and if it's not neuro affirming and it's not maybe trauma, trauma informed and we're not understanding that, we're seeing the world through a whole new lens through rsd, understanding our nervous system.
Speaker A:It's just over and over and over again doing the same thing and hitting the same results and Just wondering why.
Speaker A:Why do other people get over things?
Speaker A:Why do other people move on?
Speaker A:And we're still stuck in this.
Speaker A:In this place?
Speaker A:And that is why I think, you know, when people say, is it worth me getting the diagnosis?
Speaker A:Is it worth me pursuing it?
Speaker A:Some people are very happy with the self diagnosis, self awareness.
Speaker A:But I think if there's deep trauma involved and to then be able to move through it with.
Speaker A:With some healing, I do think we need that diagnosis so we can then get the.
Speaker A:The support that then affirms what we've gone through.
Speaker A:And maybe that is the emdr.
Speaker A:And I'd love to hear a little bit more about that, but it kind of validates a lot of people.
Speaker A:When I speak to, you know, people in my community, they say I've.
Speaker A:I've gone through so much therapy, and it was only the ADHD or the autism diagnosis that helped.
Speaker A:It was like, oh, my God, now I understand.
Speaker A:Now I get it.
Speaker A:It's like it was like the missing piece of the puzzle.
Speaker A:Did you find that as well?
Speaker A:Because I can only assume that from listening to what you went through in your childhood, that you must have gone then through quite a bit of therapy afterwards.
Speaker B:Oh, gosh, yeah.
Speaker B:I've been through the ringers with therapy, all different types of therapy, my whole life, landing me now at emdr, which I'm going through at the moment.
Speaker B:And, you know, for me, the diagnosis, the ADHD diagnosis, was extremely significant.
Speaker B:And for me, I really wanted that diagnosis to try medication as well to help me, which.
Speaker B:Which did have an amazing impact on my life.
Speaker B:Although I've.
Speaker B:I've come off it now because I was struggling with sleep issues and eating issues.
Speaker B:But the autism diagnosis, hand in hand with that, has completely transformed my life and the way that I've viewed my entire life.
Speaker B:It's like, you know, the grief you mentioned earlier, like, reflecting on my whole entire life and realizing I created a different person to be.
Speaker B:And I speak to so many women who come through Heroes program, midlife women in particular, who.
Speaker B:Who've got into their 40s and they've realized, oh, my God, like, who am I?
Speaker B:Because I only know myself in respect to who I am for others.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And this is sadly, something that happens with trauma, and it's something that happens with growing up autistic, which.
Speaker B:And with adhd, which I'd say actually can be profoundly traumatic in itself.
Speaker B:You might have the loveliest.
Speaker B:You know, like you said before, I don't think it's healthy to say, you know, I personally don't believe it's healthy to say that ADHD comes from trauma at all, you know, but growing up with adhd, even if you've got a wonderful family, can be very traumatic, extremely traumatic.
Speaker B:And when autism's in mix as well, like, you know, I definitely created a different person to be.
Speaker B:And so getting that autism diagnosis while it was really painful, and like I say, I'm still processing it now because it busts my whole mind around what autism even means.
Speaker B:I, like, I didn't.
Speaker B:It's not my understanding of what autism was me, you know, and.
Speaker B:But now I see it, like my whole life flash before my eyes instillers, particularly with the mdr, like, of my extreme, like, sensitivity to the world around me and how I adapted to that.
Speaker B:And I see trust trauma as an adaptation, as a modification from the true self.
Speaker B:Trauma, you know, is not necessarily what happened to somebody.
Speaker B:Trauma is the way that we've had to adapt to a world, to fit into one of those drives that I spoke of earlier, the survival or connection drive.
Speaker B:Like, what have we had to do to feel a sense of connection?
Speaker B:Who have we had to show up as to feel a sense of belonging or to feel safe in this world?
Speaker B:That is the trauma, and that's a living, breathing wound, like trauma is a living, breathing wound.
Speaker B:And while that might sound really upsetting on one level, it's actually a very beautiful thing, and it's a very empowering thing because it means that every time that wound opens in the present moment, when the nervous system alarm flashes up, every time that wound opens, we have an opportunity to apply ointment to it in the present moment.
Speaker B:And this is why the healing comes from.
Speaker B:From within ourselves.
Speaker B:Of course, healthy relationships are very important, but the healing, the deep healing, comes from within ourselves.
Speaker B:It's applying ointment to that wound.
Speaker B:And there's a beautiful Rumi quote, which is a Sufi poet, you've probably heard of him, Rumi.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He said, the wound is the place that the light enters you.
Speaker B:And I love that quote so much, and I live by that quote so much, because now I've started to live life in a way where I recognize that when that trauma wound opens and I'm feeling so much pain, or whether it's around rejection or abandonment or suffering, anxiety, whatever it is, when it shows up, I have an opportunity in that present moment to apply the ointment.
Speaker B:And the ointment comes from a deep sense of regulating with the self.
Speaker B:And I certainly was getting there on a mental level with my ADHD diagnosis and.
Speaker B:And my Various mental health awarenesses through various diagnosis I received.
Speaker B:But the autism diagnosis really was so profound in working with that and learning which way I need to work with that in myself.
Speaker B:And I've developed so many tools since then, which I'm now teaching to other people to apply that kind of ointment to the wound.
Speaker B:Without my diagnoses, like I don't think I'd have got there.
Speaker B:I don't think I'd have got there because I had to let them sink in.
Speaker B:They've been very important to me on a personal level.
Speaker B:And I know some people are like, oh, self diagnosis enough and that's great, you know, everyone has to just do themselves.
Speaker B:But for me, my diagnosis have been very important and validating and reflecting on my life, like I've had to get.
Speaker B:This is why I've gone into EMDR therapy as well.
Speaker B:I. I have had to go back through my entire life and go, oh my God, that was really autistic and inverted commas behavior.
Speaker B:Reflecting on certain things in childhood.
Speaker B:You know, I was practically mute at school.
Speaker B:Like really practically mute.
Speaker B:As in I wouldn't even put my hand up to go to the toilet.
Speaker B:I'd prefer to like wet myself in my chair.
Speaker B:Not because, you know, I'm sorry if that's too much information.
Speaker B:I'm just trying to give like an example of how extreme it was because I just did not want to be a nuisance.
Speaker B:I didn't know what was acceptable.
Speaker B:I was practically mute.
Speaker B:And obviously as, as a young girl that I was in terror all the time.
Speaker B:I was very frightened.
Speaker B:And I always saw that as a trauma thing.
Speaker B:And now I'm starting to see it actually that's an autistic, very autistic behaviors.
Speaker B:And like doing this like big itinerary of my life, like going through my whole life realizing, okay, but I learn that that wasn't acceptable.
Speaker B:So I masked that.
Speaker B:So I was just processing through my whole life going like, actually my urge in that situation would have been very autistic to say that or to.
Speaker B:To be just completely silent at that or you know, say I don't want this or that would have been very.
Speaker B:That was my urge.
Speaker B:But I masked I learn that it wasn't safe for me to be in the world as that person.
Speaker B:And so that's where the masking came from.
Speaker B:And I do remember, I remember like when I was about 16 years old, I was about to start college the next day and I'd had a really traumatic time at school, you know, now I reflect it was not just the trauma, it was the profound neurodivergence as well.
Speaker B:Because I didn't really know how to navigate.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't know what was, what to do, what was acceptable or not.
Speaker B:I didn't fit in.
Speaker B:Like, I was different from everyone.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:So I felt a strong sense of being extremely different from everyone.
Speaker B:And, And I remember that the day before I started college, I consciously on my bed because I knew how much the, my silence and my mutedness and my own sociability, not really having friends, etc.
Speaker B:I know how that had impacted on me.
Speaker B:Being bullied and being ostra and being teased and being like, quite frankly, like, just discarded at school.
Speaker B:And so I consciously sat.
Speaker B:The night before I started college, I was like, I'm gonna be someone else tomorrow.
Speaker B:And I created Miranda.
Speaker B:I know that sounds like, I know that doesn't happen.
Speaker B:Maybe for a lot of people, it's more like subtle than that.
Speaker B:For me, it wasn't.
Speaker B:I created Miranda in one night.
Speaker B:I remember this night.
Speaker B:I was in my training flat.
Speaker B:I lived above Leeds Young Persons Housing Team.
Speaker B:I had like a, they called it a training flat when I was 16.
Speaker B:And yeah, I remember, sat on my bed going, right, I'm gonna be really loud.
Speaker B:I'm gonna, like, I know what I'm gonna be.
Speaker B:I know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker B:I know I'm gonna look, I, you know, I dyed my hair bright colors and I was like, I'm gonna be this.
Speaker B:I was very alternative at that point.
Speaker B:You know, I was very, like, punky and, and I was like, I'm gonna be loud.
Speaker B:I'm gonna, you know, and when.
Speaker B:And I just was a different person.
Speaker B:And that mass carried forward and I forgot almost.
Speaker B:And I, throughout my whole life, many decades, then, just mistook that for who I am.
Speaker B:And now I'm like, learning that I'm not very sociable at all.
Speaker B:Like, I've packed my life with people as a trauma response.
Speaker B:I've collected friends, like, and it's been actually quite heartbreaking because I've had to break up with many people, many friends, since my autism diagnosis.
Speaker B:Because I've realized that 80% of the people that I had in my life, it was out of obligation and it might because I hate going for coffee with someone.
Speaker B:I, I, I, for me, it causes dread for me if I've got planned in my calendar.
Speaker B:Coffee with someone, one on one.
Speaker B:I mean, it, I, I, I wake up with a sense of dread.
Speaker B:It hangs over my head for weeks.
Speaker B:So I've had to have that conversation with many people, I've always pushed through it because I'm like, no, Miranda's sociable.
Speaker B:Miranda's an extrovert.
Speaker B:I'm really not, like, I'm quite hermited.
Speaker B:So my whole life has completely transformed in the space of a few months.
Speaker B:And it's been very painful for a lot of the friends I had because I've had to have that honest conversation.
Speaker B:It's either that or I suffer a mask more.
Speaker B:I've had to have that conversation of like, actually, I don't really want to meet you anymore.
Speaker B:And it's not about you.
Speaker B:It's just that I don't like.
Speaker B:For me, it's not fun, fun going for a monthly coffee or for me, it's been really challenging.
Speaker B:And even when I've chosen to end friendships, it doesn't mean there's not been a sense of grief.
Speaker B:But I've just assessed my whole life in the last few months.
Speaker B:My whole life.
Speaker B:For the first time, just discovering who I am.
Speaker B:I feel.
Speaker B:And it's so weird at 42, you know, going, me.
Speaker B:Or is that a trauma response?
Speaker B:Is that me?
Speaker B:Or is it the mask I created?
Speaker B:You know, because I learned it wasn't safe to be me?
Speaker B:And that's the story I hear from so many neurodivergent women.
Speaker B:It was safe or accepted to be them.
Speaker B:They were too much sometimes, particularly out with the ADHD aspects, like, the emotions were too much, the behavior was too much.
Speaker B:There was something too fast, there was something not good enough, there was something criticized.
Speaker B:And when you look at trauma, how it is created, that wound that we live with, the living, breathing wound of trauma, it's like, well, then we adapt, and that is the trauma.
Speaker B:We've learned to be someone else.
Speaker B:And so this return to authenticity, a return to connection with the self, that is the healing, that is the true, you know, recovery with neurodivergence, what it looks like, you know, there's not an end point to get to.
Speaker B:It's not like you're going to be cured of.
Speaker B:You're not going to be cured of neurodivergence, you know, obviously, but.
Speaker B:But the recovery with it is all around a reconnection to the South.
Speaker B:Who am I?
Speaker B:What do I want?
Speaker B:What don't I like?
Speaker B:The fundamental questions that we might have never asked.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I'm just in that process now of asking all those questions, you know, oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:I mean, that there's so.
Speaker A:There's so, so much there.
Speaker A:And it just comes back to that fundamental identity piece which women I think aren't expecting to get.
Speaker A:And I can see, you know, you're processing this now and your reflections are just.
Speaker A:It's like emotional listening because I relate so much and so many other people will relate to this, you know, this, this moment of.
Speaker A:But that was never me.
Speaker A:And I knew I had to mold and fit into a conditioning especially.
Speaker A:And this is the difference between the men and the women that the women have had to always fit into a social dynamic.
Speaker A:The way females operate, it's like being out in the jungle and we've got to sort of like watch, copy, it's safe to be in masses and so we mask, do whatever we need to do.
Speaker A:And I can totally relate because as I process and understand my own neurodivergence more and more I'm so much more picky with who I want to spend time with, where I want to expend my energy to or with.
Speaker A:And I wouldn't really go for a coffee with anyone now if I want to see a friend, it's a dog walk.
Speaker A:It's a walk because I don't have to sit there and you know, do eye to eye and I don't have to sit still.
Speaker A:And I find it exhausting having to make chit chat and this and you know, for me this type of conversation which is like super deep and very go straight into all the, the dark bits of the soul, like I don't get drained from that.
Speaker A:I find this uplifting because I know the conversation is maybe difficult but it's helping a lot of people and it's also allowing us to process as well.
Speaker A:But to sit and have coffee and have a conversation that doesn't feel authentic and doesn't feel like it, you know, what we want to be talking about anymore.
Speaker A:It's, it's, yeah like it's a stripping.
Speaker B:Back, it is hard.
Speaker A:And I see this pattern definitely that there is this need to strip back, to simplify, to return to self.
Speaker A:I've got a membership community of women who are all late diagnosed, all in midlife.
Speaker A:And it's called More yourself and it's kind of like a play on my surname, but it's actually more about like this is about being more yourself now.
Speaker A:This is about coming back to our authenticity, allowing ourselves to have this connection, this, this community where we don't have to pretend anymore, we'd have to mask.
Speaker A:We can just say things without shame.
Speaker A:And you know, for me I'm like, oh, this is, this has always been so needed because I can only assume that the women, maybe that will be sort of like drifting out of your life or you'll be letting go and, you know, making space that maybe you'll make space for neurodivergent women that you don't feel drained and exhausted by or you do have interesting conversations with.
Speaker B:Yeah, oh, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, that space that is cleared when we close that door on certain relationships, or it might be relationships, a job, it might be something that we quit that we let go of.
Speaker B:That space that is cleared is receptive, and it's receptive and magnetic in alignment with what we want to.
Speaker B:With the places we want to go and who we want to be surrounded by.
Speaker B:That space is not just a drop off the cliff.
Speaker B:And it's like, oh, there's nothing now.
Speaker B:I'm starting to learn that that space is very magnetic in certain ways.
Speaker B:Keep the faith, isn't it?
Speaker B:It's like, keep.
Speaker B:Keep the faith.
Speaker B:With every difficult goodbye we say, whether it is to a person or a job, there's always a new hello.
Speaker B:And they're one in the same.
Speaker B:They really are one and the same.
Speaker B:But we have to honor our grief through the process, don't we?
Speaker B:But above all else, like, everything comes back to the relationship with the South.
Speaker B:Everything comes back to the relationship we have with ourselves.
Speaker B:And whether we.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker B:How willing we are to not abandon or reject ourselves, you know, above all else, isn't it.
Speaker B:You know, because I think we can be if.
Speaker B:If we're faking it, if we're masking, we're pretending to be someone we're not, we're saying yes when we know, etc.
Speaker B:Etc.
Speaker B:If we're faking it and we're accepted by a hundred people in a room, we're still gonna feel rejected because we've rejected ourselves.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:We're still not being loved for who we are.
Speaker B:Whereas if we are fully, authentically ourselves, we're speaking our truth, we're making sure that we're grounded in what we believe is bright, what we want, what we don't, like what we do.
Speaker B:Like, if we're grounded in that.
Speaker B:And then only one person in that whole room accepts you.
Speaker B:That is so much more valuable.
Speaker B:And really, above all else, it's like us telling ourselves that it's okay for us to be us.
Speaker B:That is the healing thing, not being accepted by others.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's a tricky road, isn't it?
Speaker B:Because it's a tricky road with rejection sensitivity, isn't it?
Speaker A:We're not going anywhere.
Speaker A:And so this.
Speaker A:This relationship you know, we can let go of other things.
Speaker A:But like you say, it's our.
Speaker A:It's the relationship with self.
Speaker A:And it is.
Speaker A:It's sort of like you think you just get somewhere, you go, yes, and you're like, oh, no, something else.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:And I have this as well.
Speaker A:And I kind of think, yeah, yes, I've made it.
Speaker A:And then something comes and like, I'm back to square one.
Speaker A:And we have to sort of, you know, but it is.
Speaker A:It's a work in progress consistently.
Speaker A:And we kind of.
Speaker A:Maybe our ADHD part of us wants everything done dusted that, you know, there's a perfectionism.
Speaker A:Part of us that just wants to be like, do the.
Speaker A:Do the therapy, do the course, do this.
Speaker A:But actually it's the daily nitty gritty.
Speaker A:But I think what you're saying is it's having the awareness and the understanding.
Speaker A:And I'm sure those conversations with different friends.
Speaker A:Friends must have been so difficult.
Speaker A:And as someone that hates confrontation, I was thinking, oh, my goodness, I'm sort of like a more of a retreater, a slow retreater.
Speaker A:And to have had those conversations, that must have been very difficult.
Speaker A:But on the flip side, you know, if you've spent a whole life masking and creating a Persona, how exhausting that must be, you know, how exhausting and tiring that you maybe you're able to just give yourself that space and that time and that compassion to maybe get to know yourself and understand what feeds you and really makes you feel alive.
Speaker B:Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, by speaking our truth, we can only stand to lose what we do not want.
Speaker B:And I guess that that became very clear when I was having those conversations after my autism diagnosis.
Speaker B:Having those conversations.
Speaker B:Like, actually I've realized I don't actually like doing this social thing.
Speaker B:I actually realized that I don't really want to book anything in in advance or this.
Speaker B:And that having those conversations, it became very clear with people's responses who was for me and not.
Speaker B:It was quite refreshing, actually, because the responses were all so different.
Speaker B:Some people became aggressive.
Speaker B:Some people went into their own stuff.
Speaker B:Some people, you know, and I was like, oh, you're not for me.
Speaker B:You were aggressive towards me.
Speaker B:When I said something quite, you know, emotionally sensitive, you know, you've just been like this.
Speaker B:You're not a safe person.
Speaker B:You're not a safe person that doesn't feel safe.
Speaker B:And then the few people that have stuck.
Speaker B:My inner circle is tiny, tiny now compared to what it was.
Speaker B:A few people that have stuck.
Speaker B:Oh, it's gold safe.
Speaker B:It's quality.
Speaker B:There's some standing.
Speaker B:They get it, you know, and I can be me.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's a joy.
Speaker A:I think that's what it is.
Speaker A:Again, it's like, oh, and I think maybe, you know, the version of us in our 20s and teens and maybe 30s, where we kind of think our validation is how many friends have we got, all the social arrangements, you know, making sure we've got busy weekends and parties and going out and actually, and I do think sort of it's a collision with perimenopause, you know, it's a hormonal scaffolding that is not there, that the hormones tell us.
Speaker A:They tell us what is not no longer acceptable anymore.
Speaker A:Because I think we convince ourselves, well, we should be doing this.
Speaker A:And actually, I have got obligation to that person.
Speaker A:And I. I'm not a good friend or a good sister or mum or daughter or whatever you want to say.
Speaker A:And when the hormones strip back, it's kind of like the glaring.
Speaker A:The glaring obvious is there and we don't.
Speaker A:We only have a very finite amount of energy and we have to decide where we want to spend that finite energy.
Speaker A:And it's typically, I hope, with the people that, like you say, make you feel safe and connected and loved and make you laugh and you can be yourself with.
Speaker A:And it's a bit of a hard, jarring thing to accept when you've maybe built a life on those friendships and relationships and that this external Persona of who you are, and it's like, oh, shit, okay, so no longer do I have plans all the time or no longer do I see friends during the week or whatever that might be.
Speaker A:But it does feel a bit like, easier, doesn't.
Speaker B:Does?
Speaker B:Yeah, it does feel a bit easier.
Speaker B:And it is frightening, you know, like, you know, to the listener who.
Speaker B:Who knows, they need to have difficult conversations.
Speaker B:I would always just say that the connection to self prior to doing that is very important.
Speaker B:With adhd.
Speaker B:A lot of the time we want to just like, right, I've got to have the conversation and I'm going to do it now and I need to do it, you know, maybe by the end of the day.
Speaker B:Or on the other hand, we might put it off and off and off, might we?
Speaker B:But there's.
Speaker B:The fundamental piece is saying I need to have the difficult conversation with myself as the priority.
Speaker B:And there's a way you can have an internal conversation.
Speaker B:You know, there's a method I've created called the save method, which guides, you know, I use it pretty much every day guides me to have that internal conversation with the wounded part of me, with the part of me that might want to fawn or mask or people please or say yes when I mean no or you know, go into fight or quit something or the regulating piece of the internal conversation and I mean, shall I just say the save method quickly, Would that be useful?
Speaker A:I'd love to hear it.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's a four step process which I designed using my own, my own regulation with myself, my own relationship within my own relationship with myself.
Speaker B:And I've now taught it to.
Speaker B:Well, thousands of people have now learned it and saying that they're saving themselves.
Speaker B:People like to say in our heroes groups, you know, know.
Speaker B:And the save method is very, very simple.
Speaker B:And it's a four step method.
Speaker B:And S, A V, E all stand for something different.
Speaker B:And S is we see stop and surrender.
Speaker B:Okay, so we see that there's a moment of triggering, you know, we see that we're unsettled in the moment.
Speaker B:It's taking time to go, I'm going to stop, surrender to this and be with it.
Speaker B:Okay, so that's the first step.
Speaker B:Stop, see, surrender.
Speaker B:And then we go into a.
Speaker B:Which is allowed, Accept, approve and ask.
Speaker B:So instead of fighting the emotional going, oh God, I just want to get rid of this anxiety.
Speaker B:I just want to distract.
Speaker B:I just need to, I need to stop this feeling instead of that it's going, it's having an internal conversation, whether it's with your inner child, if you do that kind of work, or if it's just with yourself and your body and you know, you can talk to your nervous system with this.
Speaker B:I would invite that, you know, with the body, see, where does it lie?
Speaker B:I allow you to be here exactly, exactly as you are.
Speaker B:I accept that you're here.
Speaker B:I approve of you.
Speaker B:I approve of you being here.
Speaker B:Anxiety.
Speaker B:You know, we might want to name the emotion.
Speaker B:I approve of you being here.
Speaker B:Urge to people, please.
Speaker B:I approve of you.
Speaker B:And then we might ask what exactly is going on for you?
Speaker B:You know, we have that internal conversation.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What's exactly going on for you in the moment?
Speaker B:What are you afraid of?
Speaker B:We might ask any questions towards ourselves just to dig deeper.
Speaker B:V is a really, really vital step that so many of us miss out if neurodivergent in particular if we've got shattered sense of self.
Speaker B:And V is validation but not victimization.
Speaker B:So the validation is all around going.
Speaker B:It makes absolute sense why you would be afraid of that person rejecting you.
Speaker B:Of course Rejection is frightening.
Speaker B:We're not saying, don't worry, it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:You know, just don't care what they think.
Speaker B:We're not doing any of the fix and we're going, yeah, it makes absolute sense.
Speaker B:You feel afraid.
Speaker B:It is a really frightening thing doing that task, or it's really frightening having that conversation, or yet agonizing that you're feeling a sense of rejection with absolutely pouring in the validation, but not the victimization.
Speaker B:So we're not going in.
Speaker B:You're not going, oh, my God, everyone hates me.
Speaker B:This is awful.
Speaker B:If it's about everyone hates me, it would look more like God, that is such a painful thought to be having that, that you feel like everyone hates you.
Speaker B:That's so painful.
Speaker B:And then we move into E, which is embrace.
Speaker B:And embrace is all around talking to yourself.
Speaker B:So it's about the relationship you have with yourself.
Speaker B:We're not reassuring on the external, so we're not going, don't worry, they won't reject you.
Speaker B:Don't worry, it'll be okay.
Speaker B:Don't worry.
Speaker B:You're lovable as you are.
Speaker B:We're not putting mantras.
Speaker B:We're not putting quick fix affirmations.
Speaker B:We're not.
Speaker B:We're not putting a plaster on the room.
Speaker B:We're going.
Speaker B:We're saying, even if they reject you, I will not abandon you.
Speaker B:Even if you mess up everything in that presentation you're gonna do, I promise you, I will not beat you up.
Speaker B:I promise you, I'm by your side.
Speaker B:You are safe with me.
Speaker B:It's all about the conversation with the self.
Speaker B:We're not reassuring externally or attuning outwards.
Speaker B:And then my ex partner added another E on the end for his adhd.
Speaker B:He's an ADHD doctor.
Speaker B:He added another E on the end of save.
Speaker B:He was teaching it to all his ADHD patients, which has worked phenomenally well with the save method.
Speaker B:And he put engage on the end as well.
Speaker B:After that, after going through save, that's when we engage with the action.
Speaker B:That's when we engage with having the difficult conversation, writing the email, doing the presentation, or, you know, we engage and we move into the task, but in from a more regulated place where we've got our own backs and we've had that experience of holding our own hand.
Speaker B:Connection to self.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for sharing that.
Speaker A:And I know that will be so helpful.
Speaker A:And you know, I listened to it and I just thought, yes, that's exactly what our nervous system needs to hear.
Speaker A:And I'll make sure that we've got all the information in the show notes.
Speaker A:But can you tell people, you know, if they're listening and they, and they would like to work with you, maybe join the Heroes program.
Speaker A:Maybe you can tell a little bit about that so people can find you.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So Heroes program, the exciting thing is that we now have an online digital program which we've just launched, which is loads of self paced video teachings for a seven week program.
Speaker B:And I also hold live sessions weekly throughout that seven week period in a group community setting.
Speaker B:And it's absolutely beautiful.
Speaker B:We do a lot of learning together.
Speaker B:Heroes stands for Healing, Education and Recovery of Emotional Stress Strength.
Speaker B:So there's educational aspect, coaching aspect, inner child healing aspect and it's all ADHD friendly.
Speaker B:All our meditations are ADHD friendly as well and we have cohorts running all the time launching throughout the year.
Speaker B:So you can just check out my website, heroesprogram.com Oronda rea.com I'm doing plenty of free evening sessions to, to tell people about Heroes.
Speaker B:If anyone wants to join, join and find out more.
Speaker B:And there are also some free meditations available on my website if anyone wants to check those out.
Speaker B:It'd be lovely.
Speaker B:Anyone who wants to continue the amazing work they're doing on themselves.
Speaker B:The work of a lifetime.
Speaker A:It is a work of a lifetime.
Speaker A:But you're definitely helping with that.
Speaker A:So, you know, thank you so, so much for sharing and so beautifully and honestly.
Speaker A:And I will make sure all the details are in the show notes because I'm sure you, you'll get a lot of people wanting to get in touch with you.
Speaker B:Oh, beautiful.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's been such a joy.
Speaker B:Kate, thanks so much for the beautiful conversation.
Speaker A:Thank you for being here and listening to today's episode.
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